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Loss of separation after take-off at Sydney
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Sylvia Else
2023-03-06 01:13:16 UTC
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https://www.atsb.gov.au/media/news-items/2023/changes-underway-after-loss-separation-after-take-sydney

"The ATSB final report notes that, in the last decade in Australia,
there have been eight loss of separation occurrences involving aircraft
cleared on a SID, where a following aircraft has climbed faster than the
preceding aircraft.

Of these, six were at Sydney, and five involved the DEENA 7 SID."

Seems like the issue should have been addressed before now.

Sylvia.
Rod Speed
2023-03-06 17:06:13 UTC
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Post by Sylvia Else
https://www.atsb.gov.au/media/news-items/2023/changes-underway-after-loss-separation-after-take-sydney
"The ATSB final report notes that, in the last decade in Australia,
there have been eight loss of separation occurrences involving aircraft
cleared on a SID, where a following aircraft has climbed faster than the
preceding aircraft.
Of these, six were at Sydney, and five involved the DEENA 7 SID."
Seems like the issue should have been addressed before now.
What matters is how bad the loss of separation actually was.
Sylvia Else
2023-03-06 22:58:21 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
Post by Sylvia Else
https://www.atsb.gov.au/media/news-items/2023/changes-underway-after-loss-separation-after-take-sydney
"The ATSB final report notes that, in the last decade in Australia,
there have been eight loss of separation occurrences involving
aircraft cleared on a SID, where a following aircraft has climbed
faster than the preceding aircraft.
Of these, six were at Sydney, and five involved the DEENA 7 SID."
Seems like the issue should have been addressed before now.
What matters is how bad the loss of separation actually was.
Regardless of how close things got on previous occasions, the risk
presented by a faster climbing aircraft turning inside a slower climbing
aircraft should have been recognised.

Sylvia.
Daryl
2023-03-07 03:49:44 UTC
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Post by Sylvia Else
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Sylvia Else
https://www.atsb.gov.au/media/news-items/2023/changes-underway-after-loss-separation-after-take-sydney
"The ATSB final report notes that, in the last decade in Australia,
there have been eight loss of separation occurrences involving
aircraft cleared on a SID, where a following aircraft has climbed
faster than the preceding aircraft.
Of these, six were at Sydney, and five involved the DEENA 7 SID."
Seems like the issue should have been addressed before now.
What matters is how bad the loss of separation actually was.
Regardless of how close things got on previous occasions, the risk
presented by a faster climbing aircraft turning inside a slower climbing
aircraft should have been recognised.
Especially since its happened on 6 previous occasions.
2.4 kms is hardly a near miss but well short if the recommended 4km.
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Daryl
Daryl
2023-03-07 03:50:22 UTC
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Post by Sylvia Else
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Sylvia Else
https://www.atsb.gov.au/media/news-items/2023/changes-underway-after-loss-separation-after-take-sydney
"The ATSB final report notes that, in the last decade in Australia,
there have been eight loss of separation occurrences involving
aircraft cleared on a SID, where a following aircraft has climbed
faster than the preceding aircraft.
Of these, six were at Sydney, and five involved the DEENA 7 SID."
Seems like the issue should have been addressed before now.
What matters is how bad the loss of separation actually was.
Regardless of how close things got on previous occasions, the risk
presented by a faster climbing aircraft turning inside a slower
climbing aircraft should have been recognised.
Especially since its happened on 6 previous occasions.
2.4 kms is hardly a near miss but well short if the recommended 4km.
Make that NM not km.
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Daryl
Rod Speed
2023-03-07 15:37:50 UTC
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Post by Sylvia Else
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Sylvia Else
https://www.atsb.gov.au/media/news-items/2023/changes-underway-after-loss-separation-after-take-sydney
"The ATSB final report notes that, in the last decade in Australia,
there have been eight loss of separation occurrences involving
aircraft cleared on a SID, where a following aircraft has climbed
faster than the preceding aircraft.
Of these, six were at Sydney, and five involved the DEENA 7 SID."
Seems like the issue should have been addressed before now.
What matters is how bad the loss of separation actually was.
Regardless of how close things got on previous occasions, the risk
presented by a faster climbing aircraft turning inside a slower climbing
aircraft should have been recognised.
What matters is how bad the loss of separation actually was.

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