Discussion:
Is this news group moderated?
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Stephen Melis
2007-01-04 21:24:57 UTC
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Its time the moderator of this news groups, assuming there is one, pulls
non-aviation related topics off the news group!

There is too much cross posting, too much religious, and too much
non-aviation related rubbish appearing in this news group!
BernieFlyer
2007-01-04 21:53:58 UTC
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If only but no. Your right though its a mess now. I am about to give it away
after many years as its just been ruined. Cheers to those I have joined in
debate, fun and all matters aviation.

Bernie
Post by Stephen Melis
Its time the moderator of this news groups, assuming there is one, pulls
non-aviation related topics off the news group!
There is too much cross posting, too much religious, and too much
non-aviation related rubbish appearing in this news group!
SR20GOER
2007-01-04 22:14:47 UTC
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Post by BernieFlyer
If only but no. Your right though its a mess now. I am about to give it
away after many years as its just been ruined. Cheers to those I have
joined in debate, fun and all matters aviation.
Bernie
Post by Stephen Melis
Its time the moderator of this news groups, assuming there is one, pulls
non-aviation related topics off the news group!
There is too much cross posting, too much religious, and too much
non-aviation related rubbish appearing in this news group!
Bernie
Years ago when I was installing CB radios in cars, particularly the SKI
oldies towing caravans, some gave away using them because of truckie bad
language from a very small minority.

My suggestion to those people was to ignore that small group and concentrate
on the beneficial majority. I well remember one telling me of a wet road
and a crash that had just happened just over the top of a hill covering most
of the road which would almost certainly have involved my customer as well
were it not for a warning put out on Ch 8 by a stopping truck at the scene.

Forums that are moderated may be balanced or - as one particular case -
moderated to censor alternative opinions (serves them right for their lack
of cricket prowess). A NG has the benefit of being self-moderated by the
participants deciding what threads to ignore or block.

I draw lots of information from aus.aviation, and enjoyment, and even the
odd OT. A small minority is not going to make me relinquish that. Think
about it.
Brian
Coop
2007-01-05 02:30:10 UTC
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On Fri, 5 Jan 2007 09:14:47 +1100, "SR20GOER"
Post by BernieFlyer
Post by BernieFlyer
If only but no. Your right though its a mess now. I am about to give it
away after many years as its just been ruined. Cheers to those I have
joined in debate, fun and all matters aviation.
Bernie
Post by Stephen Melis
Its time the moderator of this news groups, assuming there is one, pulls
non-aviation related topics off the news group!
There is too much cross posting, too much religious, and too much
non-aviation related rubbish appearing in this news group!
Bernie
Years ago when I was installing CB radios in cars, particularly the SKI
oldies towing caravans, some gave away using them because of truckie bad
language from a very small minority.
My suggestion to those people was to ignore that small group and concentrate
on the beneficial majority. I well remember one telling me of a wet road
and a crash that had just happened just over the top of a hill covering most
of the road which would almost certainly have involved my customer as well
were it not for a warning put out on Ch 8 by a stopping truck at the scene.
Forums that are moderated may be balanced or - as one particular case -
moderated to censor alternative opinions (serves them right for their lack
of cricket prowess). A NG has the benefit of being self-moderated by the
participants deciding what threads to ignore or block.
I draw lots of information from aus.aviation, and enjoyment, and even the
odd OT. A small minority is not going to make me relinquish that. Think
about it.
Brian
I second the motion. My "delete" key has been getting a fair bit of
use lately (you'll note my absence on any threads related to 9/11
conspiracy or the Australian Drought). But I still see enough
relevant material to make the daily check worthwhile- most days,
anyway....

Coop
d&tm
2007-01-05 06:38:01 UTC
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Post by BernieFlyer
Post by BernieFlyer
If only but no. Your right though its a mess now. I am about to give it
away after many years as its just been ruined. Cheers to those I have
joined in debate, fun and all matters aviation.
Bernie
Post by Stephen Melis
Its time the moderator of this news groups, assuming there is one, pulls
non-aviation related topics off the news group!
There is too much cross posting, too much religious, and too much
non-aviation related rubbish appearing in this news group!
Bernie
Years ago when I was installing CB radios in cars, particularly the SKI
oldies towing caravans, some gave away using them because of truckie bad
language from a very small minority.
My suggestion to those people was to ignore that small group and concentrate
on the beneficial majority. I well remember one telling me of a wet road
and a crash that had just happened just over the top of a hill covering most
of the road which would almost certainly have involved my customer as well
were it not for a warning put out on Ch 8 by a stopping truck at the scene.
Forums that are moderated may be balanced or - as one particular case -
moderated to censor alternative opinions (serves them right for their lack
of cricket prowess). A NG has the benefit of being self-moderated by the
participants deciding what threads to ignore or block.
I draw lots of information from aus.aviation, and enjoyment, and even the
odd OT. A small minority is not going to make me relinquish that. Think
about it.
Brian
I agree with Brian, Sure there is a lot of crap on this and any other
newsgroup, but then how much of a newspaper do you read?
I buy the Saturday Age religously every week to read probably 0.5% of it. I
have been involved with a few moderated groups, such as space.science etc
but the problem with these is that the moderators can often take days or
weeks to clear a post and you lose that spontaneous feedback that we all
want.. it makes it very hard to have any sort of debate/discussion. What
would really make this group rock is if we had people posting more about
their flights, including me. What might be a boring ( if that is possible
with flying) trip might be of a lot of interest to others. There has been a
lot of good stuff on this group and some great contributers, including
Bernie, Coop ( and Dorothy) , the Goer, Stealth and even RT whose block I
wanted to knock off earlier on, and many others whose names escape me. Just
treat the dickheads like the adds in the newspaper.
terry
Michael Hoffmann
2007-01-05 01:31:30 UTC
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Post by BernieFlyer
If only but no. Your right though its a mess now. I am about to give it away
after many years as its just been ruined. Cheers to those I have joined in
debate, fun and all matters aviation.
Yes, as newcomer to this group (and to Aviation in Australia) it's
highly irritating - my killfile is the largest for this group.

I have to ask: are there alternatives? (not counting PPRUNE ;)

What other groups or forums (fora?) do the respectable regulars here
hang out (you know who you are ;) ?

Cheers
Mike
peter
2007-01-05 19:56:53 UTC
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Post by BernieFlyer
If only but no. Your right though its a mess now. I am about to give it
away after many years as its just been ruined. Cheers to those I have
joined in debate, fun and all matters aviation.
Bernie
Post by Stephen Melis
Its time the moderator of this news groups, assuming there is one, pulls
non-aviation related topics off the news group!
There is too much cross posting, too much religious, and too much
non-aviation related rubbish appearing in this news group!
Well I don't have any problem with the spam. I have added to my block list
all the spammers and anyone that replies to them.
Admittedly I only see about 5% of the messages but I suppose that's only the
relevant ones

Peter
Sydney
Craig Welch
2007-01-04 22:43:55 UTC
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Post by Stephen Melis
Its time the moderator of this news groups, assuming there is one, pulls
non-aviation related topics off the news group!
There is too much cross posting, too much religious, and too much
non-aviation related rubbish appearing in this news group!
Welcome to Usenet. It was ever thus.

Use your kill-file properly, and you will have little problem. Or, as
you're an Outlook Express user, get a free news client with a decent
kill filter.
--
Craig
Michael Hoffmann
2007-01-05 01:35:35 UTC
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Post by Craig Welch
Welcome to Usenet. It was ever thus.
Oh, I must protest, sir!

As an oldtimer on Usenet since the 1980s, I do remember when the kooks
were few and far in between and the signal to noise ratio significantly
Post by Craig Welch
1.0 !
Personally, I remember the day AOL created a Usenet gateway as "The Day
They Drove Old Usenet Down".

The kooks that were, we so few and so original that they were treasured
like some of your more famour Hyde park corner speakers. Ah, for the
days of Archimedes Plutonium - or the Hasan B Mutlu-bot.

<sheds a tear of nostalgia>
Mike
Craig Welch
2007-01-05 02:04:47 UTC
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Post by Michael Hoffmann
Post by Craig Welch
Welcome to Usenet. It was ever thus.
Oh, I must protest, sir!
As an oldtimer on Usenet since the 1980s, I do remember when the kooks
were few and far in between and the signal to noise ratio significantly
Post by Craig Welch
1.0 !
Yes, but it very much depended on the group. Those of science and
academe were always fairly clean, but others started badly and have
continued so. rec.travel.air is a good example. I remember being flamed
there in the 90s. Perhaps they should never have assigned dot.com?

As an aside, my first Internet email address (not my first email
address) was craig at pyramid dot com, which is 29th on the list of
still existing registered dot.com names.

On the other hand, in the software newsgroups of the 80s, everyone was
polite, even when I was pointing out that they had stolen our (Sun
Computers) software.
Post by Michael Hoffmann
Personally, I remember the day AOL created a Usenet gateway as "The Day
They Drove Old Usenet Down".
1993. A Tuesday, if I recall. It's right up there with the Great Tea
Trolley Disaster.

To be followed by WebTV, which introduced a bunch of people to Usenet
who were besotted by colour and fancy fonts. Hence the beginning of HTML
posting to a text medium.

To be followed by Google Groups and the various web based interfaces.
--
Craig
Sam
2007-01-05 03:17:50 UTC
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[...]
Post by Craig Welch
Post by Michael Hoffmann
Personally, I remember the day AOL created a Usenet gateway as "The Day
They Drove Old Usenet Down".
1993. A Tuesday, if I recall. It's right up there with the Great Tea
Trolley Disaster...
...A day in September, known to Usenet aficionados as the Endless
September...

Even without AOL, there are enough Yahoo and Gmail types around to
ensure September never ends.
--
Sam
Michael Hoffmann
2007-01-05 04:52:06 UTC
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Post by Craig Welch
As an aside, my first Internet email address (not my first email
address) was craig at pyramid dot com, which is 29th on the list of
still existing registered dot.com names.
<yorkshiremen>

You had a dot com address? I would have given my left ball for a dot com
address! I had a home box with a 9600 modem and a .UUCP host address.
Got a mail and news feed through a mate who also had a .UUCP and so on,
about 4 hosts up until we got to friend of a friend who had access to an
university Internet link and acted as smarthost through some postgrad
project.

Led to something like myhost ! hishost ! theirhost % unihost . uni . dom
@ bigfeed . edu

But it worked! Actually found old posts of mine (though not my very
first ones) in Deja/Google one day.

Through the snow! Uphill both ways!

</yorkshiremen>
Post by Craig Welch
1993. A Tuesday, if I recall. It's right up there with the Great Tea
Trolley Disaster.
To be followed by WebTV, which introduced a bunch of people to Usenet
who were besotted by colour and fancy fonts. Hence the beginning of HTML
posting to a text medium.
To be followed by Google Groups and the various web based interfaces.
To be followed by heavy drinking on my side - and actually completely
quitting Usenet for several years. I only came back when newer
newsreaders came out with good scoring and kill-filing capabilities (and
downloadable pre-configured score/killfiles).

We now return you to your regularly scheduled aviation posts...

Mike
Sam
2007-01-05 05:49:54 UTC
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Post by Michael Hoffmann
<yorkshiremen>
You had a dot com address?
[...]
Post by Michael Hoffmann
</yorkshiremen>
You had a 9600 modem? (etc)
Actually my early memories in remote locations are the same only
different. Basically we relied on the local BBS through 1200/300 apple
modems in a pure text environment. The BBS's were generally run by
local high school nerds, and content standards were unsurprisingly
meager. There was usually an intermittent type of Internet feed
though, and that made the effort (and cost) justifiable if one's
accounting system was sufficiently creative. Fidonet and Gopher ruled
OK, and one could dispose of big chunks of one's life on modem
dropouts, box crashes etc whilst dreaming fondly of home.
Ah, those were the days...
--
Sam ...(not!)
veritas
2007-01-05 06:13:21 UTC
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Post by Sam
Post by Michael Hoffmann
<yorkshiremen>
You had a dot com address?
[...]
Post by Michael Hoffmann
</yorkshiremen>
You had a 9600 modem? (etc)
Actually my early memories in remote locations are the same only
different. Basically we relied on the local BBS through 1200/300 apple
modems in a pure text environment. The BBS's were generally run by
local high school nerds, and content standards were unsurprisingly
meager. There was usually an intermittent type of Internet feed
though, and that made the effort (and cost) justifiable if one's
accounting system was sufficiently creative. Fidonet and Gopher ruled
OK, and one could dispose of big chunks of one's life on modem
dropouts, box crashes etc whilst dreaming fondly of home.
Ah, those were the days...
My Dick Smith 300 also cost that much in dollars... Couldn't afford to run it. Had to log in
thru a special (clean) long distance number in Melbourne (from Brisbane) to connect - the online
fees were ridiculous and Tel$tra additionally charged an arm and a leg.
Stealth Pilot
2007-01-05 09:58:20 UTC
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Post by veritas
Post by Sam
Post by Michael Hoffmann
<yorkshiremen>
You had a dot com address?
[...]
Post by Michael Hoffmann
</yorkshiremen>
You had a 9600 modem? (etc)
Actually my early memories in remote locations are the same only
different. Basically we relied on the local BBS through 1200/300 apple
modems in a pure text environment. The BBS's were generally run by
local high school nerds, and content standards were unsurprisingly
meager. There was usually an intermittent type of Internet feed
though, and that made the effort (and cost) justifiable if one's
accounting system was sufficiently creative. Fidonet and Gopher ruled
OK, and one could dispose of big chunks of one's life on modem
dropouts, box crashes etc whilst dreaming fondly of home.
Ah, those were the days...
My Dick Smith 300 also cost that much in dollars... Couldn't afford to run it. Had to log in
thru a special (clean) long distance number in Melbourne (from Brisbane) to connect - the online
fees were ridiculous and Tel$tra additionally charged an arm and a leg.
back in my day we were so poor that a mate downloaded all of RAH on to
a floppy disk for me each week and I read that (for about a year or
two)

do you guys know that for years people made the letters on paper using
an ink thing that was hand held and hand guided. it was as slow as
buggery but some of it was really beautiful. pen tablets meant
something quite different back then.

Stealth Pilot
Michael Hoffmann
2007-01-05 11:13:24 UTC
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Post by Stealth Pilot
do you guys know that for years people made the letters on paper using
an ink thing that was hand held and hand guided. it was as slow as
buggery but some of it was really beautiful. pen tablets meant
something quite different back then.
You must have been living a life of luxury eh? Pen tablets?

Try putting together a flight plan with hammer, chisel and a stone
tablet! That's what we did in my day! *Then* we went and tried to catch
the bloody Pterodactyl to actually fly!

Mike
veritas
2007-01-05 13:49:54 UTC
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Post by Stealth Pilot
do you guys know that for years people made the letters on paper using
an ink thing that was hand held and hand guided. it was as slow as
buggery but some of it was really beautiful. pen tablets meant
something quite different back then.
Yeah - that seems to ring a bell. Actually, I do remember my 4th class teacher mixing the ink,
in a big jar, from powder and pour it into the inkwells embedded in every classroom desk using a
glass pouring device (in the cork stopper of the jar) that was regulated with his thumb. Also
those standard issue pens with nibs that tore holes in the paper on every upstroke - jeez, we
used to make a mess on the paper - needing a blotter just about every word. Going back to 2nd
class - we had slates.... :)

That was when Belmore North Primary had less that 300 students using only 60% of its single
building - The Junior Technical College (secondary school) used the rest.
Coop
2007-01-06 11:12:25 UTC
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Post by veritas
Post by Stealth Pilot
do you guys know that for years people made the letters on paper using
an ink thing that was hand held and hand guided. it was as slow as
buggery but some of it was really beautiful. pen tablets meant
something quite different back then.
Yeah - that seems to ring a bell. Actually, I do remember my 4th class teacher mixing the ink,
in a big jar, from powder and pour it into the inkwells embedded in every classroom desk using a
glass pouring device (in the cork stopper of the jar) that was regulated with his thumb. Also
those standard issue pens with nibs that tore holes in the paper on every upstroke - jeez, we
used to make a mess on the paper - needing a blotter just about every word. Going back to 2nd
class - we had slates.... :)
That was when Belmore North Primary had less that 300 students using only 60% of its single
building - The Junior Technical College (secondary school) used the rest.
I still have a dictionary with some very ink-stained pages. Came about
as a result of a feud with my desk-mate (remember those desks?) in
grade 6. The story was you had to sit and take it- whatever the other
person did. He poked me with a compass needle, I snapped his pencil,
he emptied my pencil case onto the floor.... that's when I poured ink
from the inkwell into the centre pages of his dictionary and then
slammed the book shut in his face. The look of surprise on his
ink-splattered face was shortly thereafter mirrored by my look of
horror as I realised we had been sprung.....
I left the school shortly after that (he told me I could keep the
dictionary) and I ran into him about 30 years later- flying the jump
plane at Murray Bridge. Seems like our common interests continued on
into later life....

Coop
Stealth Pilot
2007-01-06 13:15:47 UTC
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On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 21:42:25 +1030, Coop
Post by Coop
Post by veritas
Post by Stealth Pilot
do you guys know that for years people made the letters on paper using
an ink thing that was hand held and hand guided. it was as slow as
buggery but some of it was really beautiful. pen tablets meant
something quite different back then.
Yeah - that seems to ring a bell. Actually, I do remember my 4th class teacher mixing the ink,
in a big jar, from powder and pour it into the inkwells embedded in every classroom desk using a
glass pouring device (in the cork stopper of the jar) that was regulated with his thumb. Also
those standard issue pens with nibs that tore holes in the paper on every upstroke - jeez, we
used to make a mess on the paper - needing a blotter just about every word. Going back to 2nd
class - we had slates.... :)
That was when Belmore North Primary had less that 300 students using only 60% of its single
building - The Junior Technical College (secondary school) used the rest.
I still have a dictionary with some very ink-stained pages. Came about
as a result of a feud with my desk-mate (remember those desks?) in
grade 6. The story was you had to sit and take it- whatever the other
person did. He poked me with a compass needle, I snapped his pencil,
he emptied my pencil case onto the floor.... that's when I poured ink
from the inkwell into the centre pages of his dictionary and then
slammed the book shut in his face. The look of surprise on his
ink-splattered face was shortly thereafter mirrored by my look of
horror as I realised we had been sprung.....
I left the school shortly after that (he told me I could keep the
dictionary) and I ran into him about 30 years later- flying the jump
plane at Murray Bridge. Seems like our common interests continued on
into later life....
Coop
so you were interested in ink blots way back in the sixth grade :-)
Coop
2007-01-06 13:44:08 UTC
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On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 22:15:47 +0900, Stealth Pilot
Post by Stealth Pilot
On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 21:42:25 +1030, Coop
Post by Coop
Post by veritas
Post by Stealth Pilot
do you guys know that for years people made the letters on paper using
an ink thing that was hand held and hand guided. it was as slow as
buggery but some of it was really beautiful. pen tablets meant
something quite different back then.
Yeah - that seems to ring a bell. Actually, I do remember my 4th class teacher mixing the ink,
in a big jar, from powder and pour it into the inkwells embedded in every classroom desk using a
glass pouring device (in the cork stopper of the jar) that was regulated with his thumb. Also
those standard issue pens with nibs that tore holes in the paper on every upstroke - jeez, we
used to make a mess on the paper - needing a blotter just about every word. Going back to 2nd
class - we had slates.... :)
That was when Belmore North Primary had less that 300 students using only 60% of its single
building - The Junior Technical College (secondary school) used the rest.
I still have a dictionary with some very ink-stained pages. Came about
as a result of a feud with my desk-mate (remember those desks?) in
grade 6. The story was you had to sit and take it- whatever the other
person did. He poked me with a compass needle, I snapped his pencil,
he emptied my pencil case onto the floor.... that's when I poured ink
from the inkwell into the centre pages of his dictionary and then
slammed the book shut in his face. The look of surprise on his
ink-splattered face was shortly thereafter mirrored by my look of
horror as I realised we had been sprung.....
I left the school shortly after that (he told me I could keep the
dictionary) and I ran into him about 30 years later- flying the jump
plane at Murray Bridge. Seems like our common interests continued on
into later life....
Coop
so you were interested in ink blots way back in the sixth grade :-)
True.
And lost interest shortly thereafter..... :-)
SR20GOER
2007-01-06 21:13:44 UTC
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Post by Coop
On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 22:15:47 +0900, Stealth Pilot
Post by Stealth Pilot
so you were interested in ink blots way back in the sixth grade :-)
True.
And lost interest shortly thereafter..... :-)
Sadly, I must confess that the quality of my handwriting is such that I have
to use a fountain pen as the norm to slow down my writing and make it
legible.
Not sure where this puts me in the Rorshach test category - a blot on my
escutcheon perhaps?
I did learn years ago not to take a fountain pen on RPT flights particularly
after the pilots strike replacements arrived and descents seemed to be
vertical - after two shirt pockets I returned to a biro at such times.
And yes, I remember the inkwells - OT I know but stand up all those who
removed the well and contrived an intricate network of rulers, books, etc to
drop a marble in the top and clunk, clonk, thru ones desk (admission of age
therein).
Brian
Non scrivetemi
2007-01-05 17:07:30 UTC
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Post by Craig Welch
Yes, but it very much depended on the group. Those of science and
academe were always fairly clean, but others started badly and have
continued so. rec.travel.air is a good example. I remember being flamed
there in the 90s. Perhaps they should never have assigned dot.com?
NO!!! Sweet, lovable *you* got flamed? Say it isn't so!!! I can't
think of any other guy who tries as hard to be kind and gentle and
friendly to everyone as you. It's a travesty. A huge miscarriage of
justice.

Still, I'll never be able to understand why you and ellen (spamfree at
last, may the lord rest her feisty soul) never got married. You were
meant for each other. She should have dumped that cold dead fish
husband of hers who goes to bed at 7pm every night and won't eat or
drink anything on airplanes and eloped down under with you. Then you
all could have had fantastic holidays swimming with the stingrays in
the barrier reef and cycling in the outback with JF (when his phimosis
allows him to travel). I just know maryanne kehoe would have arranged
a fabulous wedding for you two. And if you asked her nicely she would
have even allowed you to smoke like she did ellen when they met for
pizza at PHL.

All in all, those were some interesting times. So in honor of the
good old days, let's all join in on a chant for our underappreciated
aussie frequent traveler and the many hours he had to endure on those
Ansett multi-stop 737 flights from Australia to Singapore. All
together now, repeat after me:

Qantas (no "u")
Qantas (no "u")
Qantas (no "u")
Qantas (no "u")
Qantas (no "u")
Qantas (no "u")
Qantas (no "u")
Qantas (no "u")
Qantas (no "u")
Qantas (no "u")

Hip, hip, hurrah!
Hip, hip, hurrah!
Hip, hip, hurrah!
Gregory Morrow
2007-01-05 22:38:00 UTC
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Post by Non scrivetemi
Post by Craig Welch
Yes, but it very much depended on the group. Those of science and
academe were always fairly clean, but others started badly and have
continued so. rec.travel.air is a good example. I remember being flamed
there in the 90s. Perhaps they should never have assigned dot.com?
NO!!! Sweet, lovable *you* got flamed? Say it isn't so!!! I can't
think of any other guy who tries as hard to be kind and gentle and
friendly to everyone as you. It's a travesty. A huge miscarriage of
justice.
Still, I'll never be able to understand why you and ellen (spamfree at
last, may the lord rest her feisty soul) never got married. You were
meant for each other. She should have dumped that cold dead fish
husband of hers who goes to bed at 7pm every night and won't eat or
drink anything on airplanes and eloped down under with you.
Didn't Ellen once say that the only things in her fridge were a magnum
of champers, boxes of demerol suppositories, and cartons of smuggled
Aussie Marlboros with the huge skull - and - bones anti - smoking
"WARNING!" labels...???

Her stove also had never been used, something IIRC about that old
rabbinical Hebrew adage, "Jewish intellectual women never cook"...



Then you
Post by Non scrivetemi
all could have had fantastic holidays swimming with the stingrays in
the barrier reef and cycling in the outback with JF (when his phimosis
allows him to travel). I just know maryanne kehoe would have arranged
a fabulous wedding for you two. And if you asked her nicely she would
have even allowed you to smoke like she did ellen when they met for
pizza at PHL.
Didn't Maryanne fly up there in some kind of experimental dirigible or
something (the "Loafhead 1")...wan't this because she wanted to be sure
that she had enough room to take all those 'za leftovers back to ATL
(or even SVO!) with her...???

I was *really* kinda kruuuuushed that Maryanne didn't hookup with and
marry "Pingaboy" aka "Foreskin Fiesta" aka "Atlanta Male Feet Club"...

:-(
Post by Non scrivetemi
All in all, those were some interesting times. So in honor of the
good old days, let's all join in on a chant for our underappreciated
aussie frequent traveler and the many hours he had to endure on those
Ansett multi-stop 737 flights from Australia to Singapore. All
Qantas (no "u")
Qantas (no "u")
Qantas (no "u")
Qantas (no "u")
Qantas (no "u")
Qantas (no "u")
Qantas (no "u")
Qantas (no "u")
Qantas (no "u")
Qantas (no "u")
Hip, hip, hurrah!
Hip, hip, hurrah!
Hip, hip, hurrah!
Don't forget Sjoerd - he was one of Usenet's first *flamers*...!!!

;-D
--
Best
Greg
Non scrivetemi
2007-01-06 21:21:10 UTC
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Post by Gregory Morrow
Post by Non scrivetemi
Post by Craig Welch
Yes, but it very much depended on the group. Those of science and
academe were always fairly clean, but others started badly and have
continued so. rec.travel.air is a good example. I remember being flamed
there in the 90s. Perhaps they should never have assigned dot.com?
NO!!! Sweet, lovable *you* got flamed? Say it isn't so!!! I can't
think of any other guy who tries as hard to be kind and gentle and
friendly to everyone as you. It's a travesty. A huge miscarriage of
justice.
Still, I'll never be able to understand why you and ellen (spamfree at
last, may the lord rest her feisty soul) never got married. You were
meant for each other. She should have dumped that cold dead fish
husband of hers who goes to bed at 7pm every night and won't eat or
drink anything on airplanes and eloped down under with you.
Didn't Ellen once say that the only things in her fridge were a magnum
of champers, boxes of demerol suppositories, and cartons of smuggled
Aussie Marlboros with the huge skull - and - bones anti - smoking
"WARNING!" labels...???
Her stove also had never been used, something IIRC about that old
rabbinical Hebrew adage, "Jewish intellectual women never cook"...
Yes, I believe she said that the first (and last) time she used her
brand new stove was in 1972 to boil water to disinfect her husband's
penis before going down on it (also for the first and last time).
Post by Gregory Morrow
Then you
Post by Non scrivetemi
all could have had fantastic holidays swimming with the stingrays in
the barrier reef and cycling in the outback with JF (when his phimosis
allows him to travel). I just know maryanne kehoe would have arranged
a fabulous wedding for you two. And if you asked her nicely she would
have even allowed you to smoke like she did ellen when they met for
pizza at PHL.
Didn't Maryanne fly up there in some kind of experimental dirigible or
something (the "Loafhead 1")...wan't this because she wanted to be sure
that she had enough room to take all those 'za leftovers back to ATL
(or even SVO!) with her...???
I was *really* kinda kruuuuushed that Maryanne didn't hookup with and
marry "Pingaboy" aka "Foreskin Fiesta" aka "Atlanta Male Feet Club"...
:-(
Well, you have to remember Pingaboy is Sheryl's man, so if maryanne
wants him she'll have to wrestle him from Sheryl's cold dead hands.
Last time I saw Sheryl on TV she was telling Diane Sawyer that she
wasn't parting with that luscious Dominican foreskin for all the gold
in the world. A true testament to how wonderful it must really be,
considering Sheryl is a jewish lesbian! I think Pingaboy's foreskin
rivals Jesus' as the most coveted foreskin in history (and is still
attached to its original owner!).
Post by Gregory Morrow
Post by Non scrivetemi
All in all, those were some interesting times. So in honor of the
good old days, let's all join in on a chant for our underappreciated
aussie frequent traveler and the many hours he had to endure on those
Ansett multi-stop 737 flights from Australia to Singapore. All
Qantas (no "u")
Qantas (no "u")
Qantas (no "u")
Qantas (no "u")
Qantas (no "u")
Qantas (no "u")
Qantas (no "u")
Qantas (no "u")
Qantas (no "u")
Qantas (no "u")
Hip, hip, hurrah!
Hip, hip, hurrah!
Hip, hip, hurrah!
Don't forget Sjoerd - he was one of Usenet's first *flamers*...!!!
;-D
Oh Lord, whatever happened to those two neurotic Dutch ladies, Sjoerd
and AJC? They couldn't take the heat apparently so they were wise to
get out of the kitchen. AJC had a total nervous breakdown on hir last
entry into the United States when sie was roughed up a little in
Customs at LAX after disembarking from an Air New Zealand flight. Sie
spent an entire year in alt.uk.travel.air telling the sordid tale to
anyone who would listen, throwing temper tantrums and swearing up and
down that sie would never set hir dainty feet on U.S. soil again as
long as sie lived, until they finally got fed up with hir and ran hir
out of the place. Last I heard hir family had to stage an
intervention and have hir institutionalized for life in dreary
Rotterdam.
Josh B
2007-01-15 01:47:40 UTC
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On Fri, 5 Jan 2007 18:07:30 +0100 (CET), Non scrivetemi (or one of their
many personalities) said......
Post by Non scrivetemi
Post by Craig Welch
Yes, but it very much depended on the group. Those of science and
academe were always fairly clean, but others started badly and have
continued so. rec.travel.air is a good example. I remember being flamed
there in the 90s. Perhaps they should never have assigned dot.com?
NO!!! Sweet, lovable *you* got flamed? Say it isn't so!!! I can't
think of any other guy who tries as hard to be kind and gentle and
friendly to everyone as you. It's a travesty. A huge miscarriage of
justice.
I've been flamed all over Usenet since 1995, if that helps?
Mike Hunt
2007-01-15 03:09:06 UTC
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Post by Josh B
On Fri, 5 Jan 2007 18:07:30 +0100 (CET), Non scrivetemi (or one of their
many personalities) said......
Post by Non scrivetemi
Post by Craig Welch
Yes, but it very much depended on the group. Those of science and
academe were always fairly clean, but others started badly and have
continued so. rec.travel.air is a good example. I remember being flamed
there in the 90s. Perhaps they should never have assigned dot.com?
NO!!! Sweet, lovable *you* got flamed? Say it isn't so!!! I can't
think of any other guy who tries as hard to be kind and gentle and
friendly to everyone as you. It's a travesty. A huge miscarriage of
justice.
I've been flamed all over Usenet since 1995, if that helps?
Better to be flamed than to be stalked by Nomen/Greg
Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer
2007-01-15 19:27:19 UTC
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Fired Cisco psycho troll/netkook/pedophile/asshole "Mike Hunt
Post by Mike Hunt
Post by Josh B
On Fri, 5 Jan 2007 18:07:30 +0100 (CET), Non scrivetemi (or one of their
many personalities) said......
Post by Non scrivetemi
Post by Craig Welch
Yes, but it very much depended on the group. Those of science and
academe were always fairly clean, but others started badly and have
continued so. rec.travel.air is a good example. I remember being flamed
there in the 90s. Perhaps they should never have assigned dot.com?
NO!!! Sweet, lovable *you* got flamed? Say it isn't so!!! I can't
think of any other guy who tries as hard to be kind and gentle and
friendly to everyone as you. It's a travesty. A huge miscarriage of
justice.
I've been flamed all over Usenet since 1995, if that helps?
Better to be flamed than to be stalked by Nomen/Greg
So says the biggest stalker/harasser/abuser on usenet.

Truly you psychos have no self-awareness.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Usenet Public Service Announcement

about "Mike Hunt" (formerly "mrtravel", real name: Michael Voight)

The "Mike Hunt" psycho:

- suffers from Narcissistic Personality Disorder
- is a 48 year old unemployed loser, alcoholic, drug addict/dealer
- has been trolling usenet and flooding newsgroups for TWO DECADES
- has been harassing and stalking usenet posters for TWO DECADES
- is a known criminal, in trouble with the law since he was a teenager
- has no life outside usenet, is online trolling/harassing/stalking
24/7
- is such a loser he often responds to posts within one or two minutes
- is a known liar and bullshitter, lies about everything
- was fired by Cisco in early 2005 for doing all of the above from
work
- likes to make death threats
- is a known pedophile and child sexual predator
- is a known importer of Russian whores looking for fast cheap green
cards

If you are one of his victims, report him to Scotts Valley police:

Michael D. Voight, aka "mrtravel"/"Mike Hunt"
111 Bean Creek Rd, Unit 117 or 118*
Scotts Valley, CA 95066-4148
(831) 438-2485

*the psycho claims he lives in Unit 118, but other sources say it's
117

Scotts Valley PD
One Civic Center Drive
Scotts Valley, CA 95066
(831) 440-5670

Police Chief Steve Lind
s l i n d @ s c o t t s v a l l e y . o r g

http://www.scottsvalleypd.com

Also contact the Scotts Valley mayor:

Paul Marigonda
m a r i g o n d @ p a c b e l l . n e t

About the "mrtravel" psycho - FAQ
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.travel.cruises/msg/f207022ace08c90c

More info on the psycho
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.travel.cruises/msg/25a7ed8ad9d9d920

mrtravel's drug abuse
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/ba.general/msg/f0c64751c93c3e2c

mrtravel's wife left him
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.travel.air/msg/6828ed1eb3843662
No Way Hose Ay
2007-01-06 02:09:55 UTC
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Post by Craig Welch
Yes, but it very much depended on the group. Those of science and
academe were always fairly clean, but others started badly and have
continued so. rec.travel.air is a good example. I remember being flamed
there in the 90s. Perhaps they should never have assigned dot.com?
NO!!! Sweet, lovable *you* got flamed? Say it isn't so!!! I can't
think of any other guy who tries as hard to be kind and gentle and
friendly to everyone as you. It's a travesty. A huge miscarriage of
justice.

Still, I'll never be able to understand why you and ellen (spamfree at
last, may the lord rest her feisty soul) never got married. You were
meant for each other. She should have dumped that cold dead fish
husband of hers who goes to bed at 7pm every night and won't eat or
drink anything on airplanes and eloped down under with you. Then you
all could have had fantastic holidays swimming with the stingrays in
the barrier reef and cycling in the outback with JF (when his phimosis
allows him to travel). I just know maryanne kehoe would have arranged
a fabulous wedding for you two. And if you asked her nicely she would
have even allowed you to smoke like she did ellen when they met for
pizza at PHL.

All in all, those were some interesting times. So in honor of the
good old days, let's all join in on a chant for our underappreciated
aussie frequent traveler and the many hours he had to endure on those
Ansett multi-stop 737 flights from Australia to Singapore. All
together now, repeat after me:

Qantas (no "u")
Qantas (no "u")
Qantas (no "u")
Qantas (no "u")
Qantas (no "u")
Qantas (no "u")
Qantas (no "u")
Qantas (no "u")
Qantas (no "u")
Qantas (no "u")

Hip, hip, hurrah!
Hip, hip, hurrah!
Hip, hip, hurrah!
Stealth Pilot
2007-01-05 09:50:57 UTC
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Post by Craig Welch
Post by Stephen Melis
Its time the moderator of this news groups, assuming there is one, pulls
non-aviation related topics off the news group!
There is too much cross posting, too much religious, and too much
non-aviation related rubbish appearing in this news group!
Welcome to Usenet. It was ever thus.
Use your kill-file properly, and you will have little problem. Or, as
you're an Outlook Express user, get a free news client with a decent
kill filter.
you know that it is a lot easier not to wear the heart on the sleeve
and just ignore the idiots.
I use free agent without any aids :-)

Stealth Pilot
Piston
2007-01-04 22:15:01 UTC
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Post by Stephen Melis
Its time the moderator of this news groups, assuming there is one, pulls
non-aviation related topics off the news group!
There is no moderator and I think that it would be a very ordinary idea
to have one. Unmoderated Usenet is the only real freedom left with
regard to Internet based discussions. That thread on Basair a few
threads down wouldn't have lasted in a moderated environment even
though it's relevant information that needs to be widely propagated.
Usenet is open to abuse but I think, generally, most people that post
here are a well-behaved bunch.
Post by Stephen Melis
There is too much cross posting, too much religious, and too much
non-aviation related rubbish appearing in this news group!
If your reader has the feature, use a kill file to knock off all the
Celtic God worshipers, spelling Nazi's, retired Frog prospectors, 911
conspiracy nutters and other trailer trash dwelling degenerates that
post irrelevant dribble.
--
Piston
Posted at www.flight.org
Craig Welch
2007-01-04 23:35:20 UTC
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Post by Piston
If your reader has the feature, use a kill file to knock off all the
Celtic God worshipers, spelling Nazi's, retired Frog prospectors, 911
conspiracy nutters and other trailer trash dwelling degenerates that
post irrelevant dribble.
"Spelling Nazis".
--
Craig
Dave Kearton
2007-01-04 23:46:02 UTC
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Post by Craig Welch
Post by Piston
If your reader has the feature, use a kill file to knock off all the
Celtic God worshipers, spelling Nazi's, retired Frog prospectors, 911
conspiracy nutters and other trailer trash dwelling degenerates that
post irrelevant dribble.
"Spelling Nazis".
We prefer to be called "spelling weenies" anyway.

It's on my business cards.
--
Cheers

Dave Kearton
Coop
2007-01-05 02:32:26 UTC
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Post by Craig Welch
Post by Piston
If your reader has the feature, use a kill file to knock off all the
Celtic God worshipers, spelling Nazi's, retired Frog prospectors, 911
conspiracy nutters and other trailer trash dwelling degenerates that
post irrelevant dribble.
"Spelling Nazis".
You should have put a smiley on the end of that Craig.... maybe he was
being ironic..? :-)

Coop
Craig Welch
2007-01-05 03:03:29 UTC
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Post by Coop
You should have put a smiley on the end of that Craig....
Sorry Coop, I don't do smilies ...
--
Craig
Piston
2007-01-05 06:39:55 UTC
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Post by Coop
You should have put a smiley on the end of that Craig.... maybe he was
being ironic..? :-)
Of course I was. It was nice of Craig to validate my point.
--
Piston
Posted at www.flight.org
RT
2007-01-05 07:08:35 UTC
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Post by Craig Welch
Post by Piston
If your reader has the feature, use a kill file to knock off all the
Celtic God worshipers, spelling Nazi's, retired Frog prospectors, 911
conspiracy nutters and other trailer trash dwelling degenerates that
post irrelevant dribble.
"Spelling Nazis".
Godwin's Law, anyone? :-)
Stealth Pilot
2007-01-05 09:48:47 UTC
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Post by RT
Post by Craig Welch
Post by Piston
If your reader has the feature, use a kill file to knock off all the
Celtic God worshipers, spelling Nazi's, retired Frog prospectors, 911
conspiracy nutters and other trailer trash dwelling degenerates that
post irrelevant dribble.
"Spelling Nazis".
Godwin's Law, anyone? :-)
please explain.
(I cant do the stunned mullet look or the shoulder shrug justice in
text :-) )

Stealth Pilot
Sam
2007-01-05 10:25:18 UTC
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Post by Stealth Pilot
Post by RT
Post by Craig Welch
Post by Piston
If your reader has the feature, use a kill file to knock off all the
Celtic God worshipers, spelling Nazi's, retired Frog prospectors, 911
conspiracy nutters and other trailer trash dwelling degenerates that
post irrelevant dribble.
"Spelling Nazis".
Godwin's Law, anyone? :-)
please explain.
(I cant do the stunned mullet look or the shoulder shrug justice in
text :-) )
Lit: As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a
comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.
Corollary: A reference to Hitler or Nazism will stop a thread in its
tracks.
--
Sam... its a well known fact
Michael Hoffmann
2007-01-05 11:15:44 UTC
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Post by Sam
Lit: As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a
comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.
Corollary: A reference to Hitler or Nazism will stop a thread in its
tracks.
The corollary can be used to actively halt a track.

Such as I once saw someone do... in a thread about a certain series of
events in WW2. Sort of like stopping to watch BBC's "The World At War"
after 5 minutes, complaining about GL. ;)

Mike
Michael Hoffmann
2007-01-05 11:11:07 UTC
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Post by Stealth Pilot
Post by RT
Godwin's Law, anyone? :-)
please explain.
(I cant do the stunned mullet look or the shoulder shrug justice in
text :-) )
Stealth Pilot
Wikipedia sayeth:

Godwin's Law (also known as Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies) is a
mainstay of Internet culture, an adage formulated by Mike Godwin in
1990. The law states: "As an online discussion grows longer, the
probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."

Mike
RT
2007-01-05 11:17:00 UTC
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Post by Stealth Pilot
Post by RT
Post by Craig Welch
Post by Piston
If your reader has the feature, use a kill file to knock off all the
Celtic God worshipers, spelling Nazi's, retired Frog prospectors, 911
conspiracy nutters and other trailer trash dwelling degenerates that
post irrelevant dribble.
"Spelling Nazis".
Godwin's Law, anyone? :-)
please explain.
Godwin's Law is:

The first use of the word "Nazi" in a Usenet thread signifies the end of
rational discussion.

:-) :-)
Stealth Pilot
2007-01-05 12:46:44 UTC
Permalink
Post by RT
Post by Stealth Pilot
Post by RT
Post by Craig Welch
Post by Piston
If your reader has the feature, use a kill file to knock off all the
Celtic God worshipers, spelling Nazi's, retired Frog prospectors, 911
conspiracy nutters and other trailer trash dwelling degenerates that
post irrelevant dribble.
"Spelling Nazis".
Godwin's Law, anyone? :-)
please explain.
The first use of the word "Nazi" in a Usenet thread signifies the end of
rational discussion.
:-) :-)
Harry's aphorism "many a good argument was spoilt by facts"
Craig Welch
2007-01-05 22:50:05 UTC
Permalink
Post by Stealth Pilot
Post by RT
Godwin's Law, anyone? :-)
please explain.
(I cant do the stunned mullet look or the shoulder shrug justice in
text :-) )
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_Rule_of_Nazi_Analogies
--
Craig
Michael Hoffmann
2007-01-05 01:36:52 UTC
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Post by Piston
If your reader has the feature, use a kill file to knock off all the
Celtic God worshipers, spelling Nazi's, retired Frog prospectors, 911
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Wait a minute, what have you got against Asterix, by Toutatis?
RT
2007-01-05 07:07:30 UTC
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Post by Michael Hoffmann
Post by Piston
If your reader has the feature, use a kill file to knock off all the
Celtic God worshipers, spelling Nazi's, retired Frog prospectors, 911
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Wait a minute, what have you got against Asterix, by Toutatis?
Eggzackerly! At least he's on charter, given his helmet.

Whereas now I'll probably suffer indigestion for a week since you've
reminded me of Archimedes Plutonium (your following post) :-(
Michael Hoffmann
2007-01-05 07:18:57 UTC
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Post by RT
Whereas now I'll probably suffer indigestion for a week since you've
reminded me of Archimedes Plutonium (your following post) :-(
Could be worse: you could have the exact same name (incl spelling) as a
notorious net-nazi and holocaust denier of the time and frequent the
same groups (or rather haunt in the case of the kook).

Getting mixed up and then being called a nazi-loon is enough to give
anybody an ulcer... :(

Mike
RT
2007-01-05 11:39:12 UTC
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Post by Michael Hoffmann
Post by RT
Whereas now I'll probably suffer indigestion for a week since you've
reminded me of Archimedes Plutonium (your following post) :-(
Could be worse: you could have the exact same name (incl spelling) as a
notorious net-nazi and holocaust denier of the time and frequent the same
groups (or rather haunt in the case of the kook).
Getting mixed up and then being called a nazi-loon is enough to give
anybody an ulcer... :(
True - you should'a gone for something innocuous like Edward Kelly :-)
Sam
2007-01-04 23:08:06 UTC
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Post by Stephen Melis
Its time the moderator of this news groups, assuming there is one, pulls
non-aviation related topics off the news group!
There is too much cross posting, too much religious, and too much
non-aviation related rubbish appearing in this news group!
Usenet is free and this group (like most of usenet) is unmoderated.
This means that you and I can express our views without fear of
censorship. Unfortunately this freedom also applies to bored school
kids, conspiracy nutters and anyone else who feels a need to express
an off topic opinion.
Frankly, I will not be part of a moderated group. I prefer to ignore
the nutters and to killfile the worst. This is a small price for the
gems of information that commonly cone out of groups like this one.
Usenet is not everyone's cup of tea, but a good self moderated
Usenet group is IMO well worth the effort that it takes to sort
through the dreck to get to the good bits.
--
Sam... YMMV
Craig Welch
2007-01-04 23:34:21 UTC
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Post by Sam
Frankly, I will not be part of a moderated group.
Agree. I have been in the past, but in the main they simply reflect the
mores of the moderators ... and are usually dead boring.
--
Craig
Stealth Pilot
2007-01-05 09:59:24 UTC
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Post by Craig Welch
Post by Sam
Frankly, I will not be part of a moderated group.
Agree. I have been in the past, but in the main they simply reflect the
mores of the moderators ... and are usually dead boring.
look at sci.aeronautics. not a post in weeks.

Stealth Pilot
BernieFlyer
2007-01-05 23:52:31 UTC
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Post by Stealth Pilot
Post by Craig Welch
Post by Sam
Frankly, I will not be part of a moderated group.
Agree. I have been in the past, but in the main they simply reflect the
mores of the moderators ... and are usually dead boring.
look at sci.aeronautics. not a post in weeks.
Stealth Pilot
With all due respect Stealth, that is an area of very special interest, not
a general news group like this one so that does not surprise me.

Bernie
IK
2007-01-06 12:00:20 UTC
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Post by Stephen Melis
There is too much cross posting, too much religious, and too much
non-aviation related rubbish appearing in this news group!
I'm not sure what you're complaining about. I have a filter set up to
auto-delete messages with "911", "Iraq" and "Terrorist" in the subject
line, plus I have one that deletes posts from Turcaud, and I'm lucky if
I see two posts for the loonies per day.

Filtering by subject gets rid of those who are too impulsive to restrain
themselves from repling to the psychotics, too.
veritas
2007-01-07 08:08:09 UTC
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Post by IK
Post by Stephen Melis
There is too much cross posting, too much religious, and too much
non-aviation related rubbish appearing in this news group!
I'm not sure what you're complaining about. I have a filter set up to
auto-delete messages with "911", "Iraq" and "Terrorist" in the subject
line, plus I have one that deletes posts from Turcaud, and I'm lucky if
I see two posts for the loonies per day.
Filtering by subject gets rid of those who are too impulsive to restrain
themselves from repling to the psychotics, too.
I have to agree - the objectionable traffic is mainly caused by just a few....
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